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    2nd ACP - FIDE meeting

    FIDE office, Athens,
    12-13.07.2005
    report by Joel Lautier and Bartlomiej Macieja

    I. Duration: 6 hours

    II. Attendance

    From FIDE:
    G. Makropoulos (Deputy President)
    Z. Azmaiparashvili (Vice-President)
    I. Gelfer (Presidential Board member)
    D. Jarrett (Presidential Board member)

    From ACP:
    J. Lautier (President)
    B. Macieja (Secretary)

    III. The following subjects were discussed:
    The creation of the Joint Commission (JC) between the ACP and FIDE has been confirmed. It is composed of 6 people: 3 members of the World Chess Championship Committee from FIDE and 3 Board Members of the ACP.
    Currently, this means the following persons: G. Makropoulos, Z. Azmaiparashvili, I. Gelfer, J. Lautier, B. Macieja and P. Tregubov. The creation of the JC will be submitted for approval at the next FIDE Executive Board in Dresden, starting August 21st, 2005. The function of the JC is to issue recommendations on all important chess matters, to be approved at official FIDE meetings such as Presidential and Executive Boards, as well as General Assemblies.

    A) Anti-doping control

    At the request of the ACP, FIDE plans to organise a meeting with WADA (the official doping control body which works with IOC), in order to explain why chess should be controlled differently than other, more physical sports which are part of IOC. The aim is both to exclude unnecessary controls for drugs which are useless in chess, and to add controls against drugs which might actually be useful for chess players. FIDE will also discuss this issue with the newly created IMSA (International Mind Sports Association), of which FIDE is a member, directed by Mr Damiani, President of the World Bridge Federation. FIDE will also gather information from medical experts acquainted with chess, in order to submit a fully detailed proposal to WADA.

    B) Anti-computer and anti-mobile devices control

    As pointed out before, this issue has become particularly relevant, given the constant progress in technology, and is a highly important one for ACP. FIDE will submit to the next GA (General Assembly) a proposal to include new articles in the FIDE rules, which will allow organisers and arbiters to fight effectiveley against cheating through the use of portable computers or other electronic devices during a game. This proposal shall include the use of metal detectors at the playing venue, as well as strong sanctions against proven cheaters in all official FIDE events.

    C) Fighting pre-arranged tournaments

    FIDE agrees with the ACP that the powers of the current Ethics Commission should be extended, in order to fight against pre-arranged tournaments and fixed results. The ACP will submit a complete list of cheating issues to be investigated by the Ethics Commission. The Ethics Commission is politically independent and is entitled to apply sanctions when necessary. Sanctions decided by the Ethics Commission may be subjected to appeals.

    D) Cooperation on rules

    During the first meeting between the ACP and FIDE, the new FIDE rule forbidding players to write down the move on the score sheet before playing it on the board was discussed. Following several discussions on this subject, it has appeared that this new FIDE rule was in fact well received among a large number of players. ACP decides not to pursue this issue any longer.

    FIDE agrees to include a list of players to be proposed by the ACP in the FIDE Rules and Tournament Committee.

    G) Time-control

    At the present moment, the ACP and FIDE have agreed that two time controls are possible:
    - FIDE official control: (90'/40 + 15') 30"
    - 7-hours control: (100'/40 + 50'/20 + 15') 30".
    The FIDE time control will be used in the World Cup, Continental Championships and Olympiads, while the 7-hour time control will be used in the Last Chance Tournament and the Candidates' Matches (or Tournament).
    However, the ACP and FIDE agree to aim for one official time control in all official events in the near future, in order to avoid the constant changes in different tournaments due to the existence of numerous time controls, which currently cause unnecessary confusion for chess professionals. After long discussions, both sides suggest the following unique time control:
    (100'/40 + 30') 30", that is 1h40 minutes for 40 moves, 30 minutes after move 40 for the rest of the game, and a 30-second increment for each move starting from move 1.
    This proposal can be considered a middle term solution between FIDE and ACP positions on the subject, ACP being a strong supporter of the seven-hour time control.
    However, before implementing it, FIDE would like to obtain the opinion of a large number of top players, especially those among the top 50 in the world. If a majority of players is against it, then FIDE would keep both time controls presently recommended.

    H) Fighting short draws: the Corsican rule

    Since the first meeting between FIDE and ACP, it has transpired that the rule used in Sofia, forbidding draw offers, originates from Corsica, where it was first applied in tournament play. It was witnessed by the organisers of the Sofia tournament and thereafter adopted by them, hence this rule should from now on be known as the "Corsican rule".
    The experiment in Sofia was successful, however more evidence is required before applying this rule on a large scale. Since this is a sensitive issue, ACP proposes to hold an opinion poll on its website, in a similar way to the one conducted by them last year, on the subject of time control. FIDE agrees.

    I) Future World Championship Cycles

    1) General Structure of the WC

    The rules for the next FIDE World Chess championship cycle, which includes the World Cup, the Last Chance Tournament and the Candidates' Matches, have been anounced and may not be changed. For the following cycles, the ACP considers that the Last Chance Tournament is a debatable concept, both from the sporting and marketing points of view, and might be improved.
    One suggestion from ACP is to include qualifiers from the ACP Tour into the general structure of the FIDE World Championship cycle. The ACP Tour gives rankings based on results in the most important tournaments around the world, hence it could serve as a reliable qualifying tool. If the ACP Tour would serve as a qualifier for the FIDE WC cycle, the current rules would be modified accordingly. For instance, results from all players would be counted and not only those of ACP members, as is currently the case.
    FIDE is willing to consider this possibility and will study it carefully.

    Regarding the next World Cup, ACP demands that the schedule of this event be modified, in order to have one extra day for tiebreaks in every round. This means that every round will be held over 3 days instead of 2. To reduce the length of the tournament, the rest days are removed. In total, this means a schedule of 22 days instead of 18.

    2. Zonal tournaments

    The ACP favours a World Championship structure where players, who are not already qualified to the World Cup by other means (such as rating seeding, world junior championships, etc.) may only qualify through Continental Championships. This essentially means that the concept of zonal tournaments would have to be abandoned.
    This is already the case in Europe and it has helped to make the European Championship an important and strong event. The ACP thinks this model should be extended to other continents as well. After discussion with FIDE, the ACP understands that in some parts of the world, the abolishment of zonals might create problems, as some countries are not able to send players to Continental Championships if they take place in a distant location. In general, FIDE agrees that this is an important, but sensitive problem. The ACP would like to open a discussion with Continental Presidents to try to resolve this issue.

    3. Continental Championships

    According to the ACP, the current qualifying procedure from the Continental Championships should be improved. Players should be qualified according to strict and clear rules. In the case that the World Championship Cycle is played every two years, players may currently be qualified in three different ways: by participation in two successive Continental Championships, or by rating seeding. In order to avoid problems met in the past, priority should be given to the qualification of players from the Continental Championships of two successive years. The remaining qualifiers would then be the players who are seeded by rating. This list of seeded players should therefore adapt itself to the results of the Continental Championships, and not the other way around. In the case that some players seeded by rating have already qualified by their play in the CC, then they are replaced by the next players in the list of qualifiers seeded by rating.

    For the European Championship, FIDE and the ACP propose to reinstate the limit of 2400-rating. However, the top 3 finishers (e.g. the medallists) from any national championship should be allowed to play, even if their rating is lower than 2400. This last measure is important for small federations who may not be able to field many players otherwise.

    J) ELO rating system

    ACP will make proposals to improve the current rating system. Some of the possible measures might include: increasing the value of the "K" factor in the ELO rating formula, making a difference between results with White and Black, modifying the ratings of players who are inactive for long periods of time.
    Both FIDE and the ACP are aware of the proposal published by GM John Nunn on the ChessBase website, as well as the various reactions to his article. These ideas will be discussed to better refine the qualifying procedures where seeding by rating is used.

    ACP will propose several candidates to become permanent members of the Titles and Ratings Commission, which FIDE is ready to accept.

    K) Creation of a new title.

    ACP and FIDE have discussed the possibility of creating a new title, superior to the Grandmaster title. Due to the continuous devaluation of the GM title over the years, this idea has already been suggested many times in the past. The ACP and FIDE are open to any outside feedback and suggestions, as to whether this is a necessary step and which criteria could be used to define this new title. ACP and FIDE agree on the basic premise that if implemented, this title should be a very exclusive one.

    IV. Conclusions

    The meeting went in the same efficient manner and productive spirit of cooperation as the first one. FIDE is satisfied that, through cooperation with ACP, it is able to hold frequent and direct working discussions with chess professionals, something that was lacking in the past. FIDE encourages those chess professionals who haven't yet joined the ACP to do so, in order to have even better and wider representation.

    The next meeting is scheduled to take place in approximately 2-months' time.
    Atmosfera była zadziwiająco bardzo dobra, Makro wyraźnie się na nas otworzył. Wydaje się, że wkrótce dojdzie do ściślejszej wpółpracy na szerokim froncie.

    Pozdrawiam
    Bartek

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    Atmosfera była zadziwiająco bardzo dobra, Makro wyraźnie się na nas otworzył.
    Zapewne z tego powodu, że był na swoim terenie
    Wydaje się, że wkrótce dojdzie do ściślejszej wpółpracy na szerokim froncie.
    T.zn. decydenci z FIDE uwzględnią postulaty ACP ?
    "Niecierpliwość jest wrogiem myślenia" George Koltanowski
    "Zwyciężyć i spocząć na laurach to klęska, być zwyciężonym a nie ulec to zwycięstwo" Józef Piłsudski

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    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Jerzy
    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Bartek
    Wydaje się, że wkrótce dojdzie do ściślejszej wpółpracy na szerokim froncie.
    T.zn. decydenci z FIDE uwzględnią postulaty ACP ?
    Tak, wiele z nich, zresztą sporo można wyczytać nawet w powyższym sprawozdaniu.

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    30 czerwca 2005 zakończył się pierwszy ACP Tour. Oto klasyfikacja końcowa:

    Kod:
    N Player            Tournaments Points
    1	Anand, Viswanathan       5    1598
    2	Leko, Peter              4    1196
    3	Topalov, Veselin         5    1132
    4	Izoria, Zviad            5     951
    5	Gelfand, Boris           3     916
    6	Radjabov, Teimour        3     884
    7	Bologan, Victor          3     865
    8	Kramnik, Vladimir        4     839
    9	Ivanchuk, Vassily        5     774
    10	Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter 1     720
    11	Morozevich, Alexander   3     709
    12	Sokolov, Ivan           4     654
    13	Bacrot, Etienne         4     612
    14	Amonatov, Farrukh       4     605
    15	Grischuk, Alexander     3     567
    -------------------------------
    Najwyżej sklasyfikowanym Polakiem był:
    41-45	Miton, Kamil         1     320
    Końcowa klasyfikacja oparta jest na wynikach uzyskanych przez zawodników w turniejach. Upraszczając, można powiedzieć, że ranking ELO pokazuje, jak dobrzy są zawodnicy, natomiast ranking (klasyfikacja) ACP Tour pokazuje jak dobrze zawodnicy grali w turniejach, a to nie jest to samo.
    1 lipca 2005 rozpoczął się drugi ACP Tour.

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    Women's World Championship in Ekaterinburg, Russia

    His Excellency Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, President of the Republic of Kalmykia and FIDE President, met with H.E. Eduard Rossel, Governor of the Sverdlovsk Region (see photo) on 15 July 2005 at its capital city, Ekaterinburg. During this meeting it was established that the Women`s World Championship shall be held in Ekaterinburg with a prize fund of 450 thousand USD. Venue shall be the Atrium Palace Hotel and tentative dates are from 10 to 27 March 2006.

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    Ostatnio doszło do słownej wojny pomiędzy Anatolijem Karpowem, a kierownictwem FIDE:
    Anatoly Karpov: Even a dickhead will do a better job than Ilyumzhinov
    Chodzi zapewne o nieprecyzyjne tłumaczenie z rosyjskiego. Ciekawe jakiego określenia użył Karpow w oryginale ? Wywiad przeprowadził Hartmut Metz, a przetłumaczył Eric van Reem.
    "Niecierpliwość jest wrogiem myślenia" George Koltanowski
    "Zwyciężyć i spocząć na laurach to klęska, być zwyciężonym a nie ulec to zwycięstwo" Józef Piłsudski

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    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Jerzy
    Ostatnio doszło do słownej wojny pomiędzy Anatolijem Karpowem, a kierownictwem FIDE:
    Anatoly Karpov: Even a dickhead will do a better job than Ilyumzhinov
    Chodzi zapewne o nieprecyzyjne tłumaczenie z rosyjskiego. Ciekawe jakiego określenia użył Karpow w oryginale ? Wywiad przeprowadził Hartmut Metz, a przetłumaczył Eric van Reem.
    A czemu sądzisz, że wywiad został przeprowadzony po rosyjsku? Karpow doskonale mówi po angielsku, więc możliwe, że Hartmut Metz przeprowadził wywiad po angielsku, natomiast Eric van Reem przetłumaczył na niemiecki (na potrzeby ChessBase.de).

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    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Bartek
    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Jerzy
    Ostatnio doszło do słownej wojny pomiędzy Anatolijem Karpowem, a kierownictwem FIDE:
    Anatoly Karpov: Even a dickhead will do a better job than Ilyumzhinov
    Chodzi zapewne o nieprecyzyjne tłumaczenie z rosyjskiego. Ciekawe jakiego określenia użył Karpow w oryginale ? Wywiad przeprowadził Hartmut Metz, a przetłumaczył Eric van Reem.
    A czemu sądzisz, że wywiad został przeprowadzony po rosyjsku? Karpow doskonale mówi po angielsku, więc możliwe, że Hartmut Metz przeprowadził wywiad po angielsku, natomiast Eric van Reem przetłumaczył na niemiecki (na potrzeby ChessBase.de).
    W wersji niemieckiej wywiadu użyto podobnego wyrażenia "schwachkopf" więc całkiem możliwe, że Karpow użył wyrażenia идиот
    "Niecierpliwość jest wrogiem myślenia" George Koltanowski
    "Zwyciężyć i spocząć na laurach to klęska, być zwyciężonym a nie ulec to zwycięstwo" Józef Piłsudski

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    Pojawiły się dwa ciekawe komentarze dotyczące spotkania ACP-FIDE:
    Alexey Shirov answers the questions about the ACP-FIDE meeting in Athens
    Alexander Morozevich answers the questions about the ACP-FIDE meeting in Athens

    Polecam także list otwarty Wadima Milowa, opisującego swoje problemy związane z MŚ w Libii.
    Kilka miesięcy temu, kiedy jego proces wytoczony FIDE dopiero się rozkręcał, Wadim napisał mi, że w odpowiedzi na liczne pisemne oświadczenia arcymistrzów przedstawione sądowi, FIDE poprosiła aby nie brać ich pod uwagę, bo wszyscy autorzy oświadczeń są ... członkami ACP.

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    Dla osób znających angielski, polecam wywiad z Yasserem Seirawanem

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    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Bartek
    Dla osób znających angielski, polecam wywiad z Yasserem Seirawanem
    Oraz rosyjski
    "Niecierpliwość jest wrogiem myślenia" George Koltanowski
    "Zwyciężyć i spocząć na laurach to klęska, być zwyciężonym a nie ulec to zwycięstwo" Józef Piłsudski

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    FIDE wydało krótki komunikat o Kongresie w Dreźnie:
    Cytat Zamieszczone przez FIDE
    The FIDE Executive Board held the 76th FIDE Congress hosted by the German Chess Federation from 17 to 24 August 2005 in Dresden, Germany. During the Congress, all delegates were invited by Lord Mayor Ingolf Rosberg of the City of Dresden to a reception at the new International Congress Center, venue of the Dresden Olympiad 2008. The impressive facilities added further to the confidence of FIDE that the Dresden Olympiad shall be well organized.

    FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov delivered his annual report citing the coming US$1 million World Championship Tournament in San Luis for which the Argentine Organizing Committee has already fulfilled all of its financial obligations with all preparations on track. He also reported on the US$450,000 Women's World Championship scheduled March next year in Ekaterinburg, Russia.

    The Board took a number of decisions that marked the move towards greater professionalism in organization of FIDE events and closer cooperation with the Association of Chess Professionals. (ACP).

    Inspections of all major FIDE events will be conducted in the future and organizers will have to enter into contract with FIDE. To improve channels of communication with players, FIDE accepted into various Commissions and Committees representatives of the ACP.

    FIDE conditionally admitted two new federations from Sierra Leone and Palau bringing the number of FIDE members to 156 national federations.

    The FIDE Commissions and Committees met for their specialized work during the Congress. The Qualification Commission received the report on the Alushta tournaments and after a thorough investigation and lengthy discussions approved all pending title applications while resolving to take measures to prevent fraud in future.

    The Board approved the GM, IM and Arbiter titles and new titles of FIDE Instructors and Trainers. Download list of titles approved and Arbiter Titles

    Delegates were pleased to hear that both the Turin Olympiad 2006 and Dresden Olympiad 2008 were on track. The cities of Budva (SCG), Poznan (POL) and Goteburg (SWE) expressed interest in hosting the 2010 Olympiad. In accordance with the Olympiad bid procedure, deadline for submission of bids is on 26 February 2006.

    On behalf of the Executive Board, FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov thanked the German Chess Federation and Dresden Organizing Committee for their excellent work.
    Jeśli chodzi o fragment:
    FIDE accepted into various Commissions and Committees representatives of the ACP.
    to lista wygląda następująco:
    Rules and Tournament Regulations Committee: Nigel Short, Bartlomiej Macieja, Pavel Tregubov
    Youth and Junior Events Committee: Igor Glek
    Committee on Chess in Schools: Igor Glek
    Committee on Women's Chess: Yury Yakovich
    Titles and Ratings Committee: Michal Krasenkow, Yury Yakovich, Alexei Shirov

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    Zobaczymy, jak współpraca będzie się układać po wyborach. Przypominam, że wybory do Zarządu ACP odbędą się od 15 listopada do 15 grudnia 2005, a w FIDE podczas olimpiady w Turynie.

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    Jutro startują wybory do ACP Board.
    Final list of candidates:
    Agrest Evgeny (SWE)
    Bologan Viorel (MDA)
    Chuchelov Vladimir (BEL)
    Dreev Alexei (RUS)
    Fierro Martha (ECU)
    Glek Igor (GER)
    Kadimova Ilaha (AZE)
    Kobalia Mikhail (RUS)
    Laborde Stephane (FRA)
    Lujan Maria Carolina (ARG)
    Macieja Bartlomiej (POL)
    Pelletier Yannick (SUI)
    Raetsky Alexander (RUS)
    Romanishin Oleg (UKR)
    Sedina Elena (ITA)
    Shirov Alexei (ISP)
    Skripchenko Almira (FRA)
    Tregubov Pavel (RUS)
    Tsorbatzoglou Viron (GRE)
    Z tej listy wybranych zostanie 7 mężczyzn i 2 kobiety.

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